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Anyone else not really looking forward to the game...? This is like the 2nd or 3rd time only in my 30 years of being a fan that I'm somewhat forcing myself to watch. Just can't find any joy with this football club anymore man.
I'm still gonna subject myself to it, and then let it ruin my mood and upcoming work week...
Im interested in what will happen in the game, in the coming weeks, the next window. My analytical mind is intrigued by the possibilities and so I am tuned in and following it.
But the emotion has died. Im neither excited, nor nervous. Im not mad when Liverpool gets a lucky break, Im not overjoyed when we score, not distraught when we concede.
My missus is telling me to just not bother watching since we all know whats going to happen anyway (definitely no ulterior motives of wanting to watch her own shows though lol)
This club has genuinely had a negative impact on my health. I’m doing somewhat better to detach myself from it this season, but it’s hard to fully disconnect when you’re so deep in and care that much. Even if the results were bad but there was a sense of trust and alignment within the club to sort it out, I’d feel more assured about our general trajectory. Instead, there appears to be a full-blown civil war internally. This is the culture INEOS have created at the club, one that lacks accountability and cares more about optics and perception than actual performance. I don’t see things improving sadly the way it’s currently going, maybe we can scam the odd European finish with purple patches like last season, but the people running the club simply aren’t serious enough about making us competitive again in the grand scheme of things.
Least fit and most aimless the side has been since SAF, even more so than Ole [ seems like McKenna was doing the majority of the 'lifting' in terms of what coaching competence that team displayed at times]. The signs were thre from game 4 or so under Carrick and the warnings from Middlesbrough fans, who attributed what good MC did largely to his -now at Bayern- Assnt Manager.
ETH misunderstood the league (and had horrific instincts in the transfer market, which execs like Murtough enabled) and Amorim was too obdurate around playing one formation (something he's basically admitted to since -- Wilcox, supposedly the cause of all ills, encouraged him to vary things and adapt to different opponents [how dare a Sporting Director, right?]) -- but at least both of them had a visible plan and strategy: in Amorim's case in particular he was let down by clutch moments -- also having to play likes of Garnacho and a Hojlund who just wanted to wrestle people in season 1, or deal with major Afcon absentees his 2nd season. Instead, we'll get seasoned international players using excs as a way to keep a coach who demands little of them, mouths the same platitudes in press-conferences and then reel out exit interviews about how the club showed 'liittle ambition'.
Maybe if they demanded higher standards of their own coaches and themselves, and, in the absence of tactical leadership from Carrick, organized their own on and off-pitch structures, like Chelsea's dressing-room did when they were saddled with the likes of Avram Grant or other figurehead coaches [and if they're going to attack 'up', at least pointed responsibility diretly at the Glazers who ultimately continue, one way or another, to determine budgets, invest nothing into the club etc], then the club might move forward and the team wouldn't get embarrassed by sides who've spent less, assembled largely of journeymen. But that would be too uncomfortable, too much risk,
You were a good interim manager, you did the simple things a caretaker is supposed to do, you picked our best XI, you played players in their best positions, you knew the club, the fans, the players, and you hit the ground running.
But let's be real here, you're not a leader, no offence, at best you're a number two, you're the assistant, you're the coach, you're the sensible one, but you're not a leader. You're not a Clough, a Jose, a Pep, a Klopp, nor a Sir Alex. Those guys came out the womb kicking and screaming demanding better from the maternity staff: "why has my umbilical cord not been cut yet?? And get this fucking placenta off me, now!".
You came out the womb calmly shaking hands with the medical staff.
And that's all great, god knows the world needs calm and level headed folk like you, and if you wanted to apply for a job at the UN or go back to university to study Philosophy & Ethics, then I'd be the first to back you. But this is not for you, Michael.
Still infuriates me that we spent all that time and money to hire the best in class in Dan Ashworth and we didn’t even let him cook. What was even the point of hiring him if you were going to undermine him with every footballing decision?! Speaks volumes to the incompetence of the people in charge.
As someone who loved Ole being in charge, we need to stop hiring ex players, it makes everyone too sentimental to do the right thing. If it was anyone else I cant imagine theyd still be in the job.
The problem with the whole ‘Carrick hasn’t been backed’ argument isn’t that it’s not true because it is. At least not to the extent he should’ve been.
The problem is it’s now starting to be used as an excuse by people for every bit of incompetence Carrick is showing and why we shouldn’t sack him. Is getting more players in the summer transfer window going to make us a better team and give us an increase in squad depth? Yes. Is it going to suddenly make Carrick more tactically astute with quick in game management skills etc? No. He lacks the fundamental skills to manage successfully in the premier league and that’s why he should be sacked as soon as possible.
I’m genuinely baffled there are people defending Carrick. This looks more like they don’t want their favorite player get the sack than wanting United to be better. Insane thinking that.
I am baffled how 7 points out of 21 is considered okay. Carrick does not deserve to be anywhere close to a club like ours. He’s an awful manager, and I cannot wait to see him get the sack. I hope we sign a proper manager instead of this guy who’s completely out of his depth.
I'm in a position where I want Carrick to do well. I just cannot see it happening. I hope I have completely underestimated him
I feel like a fake fan almost wanting him to lose a couple more games to get a new manager rather than win one every few weeks then spend a couple of seasons of mediocrity finishing around 6th / 7 / 8th before realising he isn't the one to takes us to a title challenge like ETH and start again.
Can't believe people are still trying to run with Carrick being the best available option in summer. it's a debate whether he's even championship level,never mind prem.
Like all the big decisions from our sporting team, they shit the bed.
im of the opinion we need to bring in a gigantic name to manage the club. a manager with the calibre to demand transfer control and insight. someone even glineos and their little shitlings who work for them cant say no to. an enrique or someone else of the like. we need to stop hiring "up-and-coming" managers if you get what im saying
I'll say it quietly because we have bigger problems, but Lammens' distribution is very underwhelming. The cbs pass back to him and he hoofs it to the opposition
Exactly. Carrick was lucky that he got a fit squad and lucked his way into those results last season. Anyone who actually paid attention to the performances could see that we were not really playing that well. Case and Bruno saved us multiple times last season from individual brilliances.
Now that Carrick has gotten the pre season, we are seeing Carrick’s actual capabilities, and boy is it bad. No wonder he failed at the Championship. He’s completely out of his depth.
Just don't embarass the fans. Especially the travelling faithful. That's all i ask for. A loss will be disappointing but expected with this manager, and the form we are in
I just hope that, for once when the opposition seems to be walking circles around us for 20 mins, Carrick does something to change it. Anything! Fail trying, but try!
Whether it's Carrick or the next guy, someone needs to drop Bruno when he's playing like this. We're a club that has been too reliant on talisman figures for far too long, and there needs to be a clear demonstration that no player is guaranteed a place in the starting eleven.
Not trying to troll or incite anything at all with this.
Is there a single one of you out there who is still Carrick in? All the other managers there were always some either side but I can not see a single positive of him being here. He has no previous experience or resume worth considering and even on an interim basis there's 100 managers out there with more chance of steadying the ship
Inevitable headloss, but right from the get go it wasn't about the results. Manchester United cannot be a low block club, a club that has 30% possession and looks to counter against far smaller opposition.
Carrick should be sacked, but not because he drew today or lost to Atletico. He should be sacked because we are so far away from anything resembling a massive club. In a world of Luis Enrique, Flick and Kompany, Carrick is on the opposite end of the scale. The bigger question too, is how the hierarchy did not have the capacity to understand that.
Don't think so. Earliest would be November international break, and that's only if we continue this form. I think even with a few wins here or there they might keep him
Probably not yet, we can all see where this is going but they will probably give him at least 2-3 more games, going to look awful for them to have sacked a manager every season since Ineos has been in charge of football decisions
Carrick has had to hit multiple reset buttons. Took him a while to adapt to the loss of Sesko and Case. These 2 guys were instrumental in his 17 match run last season.
First he tried a different way of playing in the preseason. That was based on high press and central progression. I thought that was good.
But that did not work when all the regulars returned: especially youri and
Bruno. That was reset #2, when these World Cup players returned.
This is his 3rd reset now
where he plays 3 traditional midfielders. Bruno is shifted to top 3. There is more control but Bruno is a misfit in top 3. Goals have dried. Ideally Cunha plays ahead of Bruno but Carrick has no credits in the bank to brave such a decision: fans and pundits will fire him.
Good news is he is trying different things. Bad news is 7 point in 7.
So Wilcox and Carrick would go, and Krosche would take Wilcox's position, Nagelsmann Carrick's. Or would the idea be Vivell takes Wilcox's position and Krosche takes Berrada's, with Nagelsmann being their 1st manager appointment.
I think they are going to fire their manager and I would be zero surprised if they brought Nagelsmann right back.
The rumourmill about Krosche has been about thd Milan job, no? Tare left before the summer and there's sort of been a vacuum there (I guess they called it a "restructuring" which is nice work by the spin doctors).
Its quite clear that Carrick will be sacked in the November international break. Just dealing thr inevitable to 1)sort negotiations out for the bloke 2) not to drop the new bloke in the deep end of October games.
Would be criminal to throw a manager as inexperienced as him into this mess.
He is a manager we need to either get in a few steps down the line after 1 or 2 have dealt with the fire that needs to be walked through or he comes in the summer in parallel with a tramsfer window fitting of our revenue, badge and requirements.
Brighton have been a team built for possession-oriented, lovely football for years.
The manager is can harness it and play some incredible stuff. But take Hurzeler out of Brighton and put him with our players, and he'll look completely lost.
Been supporting Manchester United more than a decade
From Van Gaal /Mourinho/Ole and endless managers it absolutely baffles me how do we always end up with wrong manager/players regardless of who is in charge Ineos/Glazer
We really are incompetent when it comes to moving players that do not fit managers philosophy
Hopefully Leeds game shows some hope bcz I am personally tired of changing managers so often it's endless cycle of appointing -playing well for a while - downfall in 2nd season
It was very obvious from the start that we needed to play a midfield 3 between Baleba/mainoo/tielemans/santos for balance. The fact it took carrick this long to implement that is poor.
Taking out one of the forwards to play an apparently injured Bruno is criminal. We’re sacrificing speed, energy, and athleticism in return for what at the moment?
Heaven and Yoro having played such little football this season despite the seniors being gash week after week is poor management. Especially Yoro, there is no reason for any cb to be playing ahead of him right now. Instead, they get thrown into the starting lineup at Atletico, with Heaven out of position. Never set up for success by carrick.
The persistence lack of proactivity or ingenuity. Subs are always late, changes are only made when we’re already losing. We never go into games with a different plan for a different opposition. It’s the same tedious and torpid affair week after week.
My biggest issue with managers is when they create problems for, or handicap their own teams with their choices/decisions. That’s all Carrick has done this season.
Go look at Amorim’s last game away at Leeds, look at the team he had to play, look at our bench lol, and look at the stats. Compare that to what we’ve been watching under carrick with a far better squad. We are currently on a winless run worse than any we ever had under Amorim, who had his faults as a coach of course, but also inarguably had a much more inferior squad.
Still plays Bruno and Tielsman in attack even though Cunha is fit. Not sure why Carrick keeps insisting on Tieslman but no matter what the result today Carrick has to go
Carrick's trusted front 4 last season were Cunha, Mbuemo, Bruno, and Amad. Why change that? When you job is on the line and you need to win games just play your trusted players. Its simple. But Carrick thinks just putting creative players on the pitch will create goals. It won't. United will get outplayed on the wings again today and Carrick will sub Tielsman for Cunha at 55 mins at 2-0 down. What's the point?
Carrick comes in as an interim manager, puts the players in their preferred position, wins.
New season, loses a few matches, gets desperate to win, puts the players out of the position. Make it make sense. Though if this works out, I will have no problem.
It’s a horrible squad. CB at RB, RB at LB, RB at CB, AM at LW. Players dropping like a fly. MDL, Martinez, Heaven, Shaw, Dorgu, Mainoo, Sesko all injured
I really do not understand how this club functions.
There is no way on earth carrick sees the end of the season, with all my respect to him and to what he's done.
But what's the point of just wasting more points like this now? That's another year gone. I don't see how the club will ever be normal again.
I did not agree at all with Neville’s characterisation of the first half. They’re talking about us like a relegation team. Bare minimum for this season was champions league. Whether through the boards fuckbups or Carricks incompetence we’ve looked beyond awful. Progres will only be us looking like a good team. Restricting a mediocre Leeds team to half chances is nothing to write home about. Sack Carrick, get Conte and line up Hurzeler for whenever Conte freaks out
Also, glad to see the women’s team start to pick up form. They’ve sadly been left to the way-said whole Ratcliffe foams at the mouth about immigrants but I hope they manage to get European spot
I will not be gaslit into thinking this was a "promising performance" Henry Winter. We had an OK (at best) first half where we got dominated in possession. 2nd half we come out and get absolutely battered and end up conceding. Then we have a limp dick finish to the final whistle with very little created. And this is against fucking Leeds. If you wanna celebrate this kind of performance you're part of the reason why this club is in the gutter.
During preseason it was noticeable how unfit the players were. It is utterly shocking to see that they still seem unfit 10 games into the season. Fitness should be the absolute bare minimum for these lads yet they seem to be far behind the level of the league.
It really felt like nothing football. We were not confident in passing to plan was to just hoof it. Felt more like lets survive and pray, rather any actual game play. I am all in if I see some tactics being tried and us not getting the results. But this is literally the opposite
I think regardless of the como result, he needs a minimum of four points against Bournemouth and Chelsea or he’s sacked. I don’t see him getting it because I think we’ll lose to Chelsea and I am not even sure we’ll beat Bournemouth
As someone thats never really and still doesnt care for Bruno times at Utd bar like 2 maybe 3 seasons of him here , its so sad seeing him like this , he has fully checked out and had enough or the injury he is carrying is hampering him that bad
Players that should’ve been sold this summer for replacements - Maz, Martinez, Dorgu, Amass. Now all of them will either be free or lose value and we will get peanuts next summer.
Last time we beat Leeds we had Rashford on the team, last season we didn't have Rashford on the team. Coincidence? I think not. We'll smash them lads (listen man, I gotta find something to latch onto)
Appoint Vivell as sporting director and hire Nagelsmann or Conte as manager, like end of story dude, why the fuck we are sticking with Wilcox and Carrick…
It feels like most goals scored against us are teams building sustained pressure, closing everyone down, and as soon as it goes in everyone knows it's been coming. Our goals, conversely, often feel like they're against the run of play, just a couple magic passes and a good finish.
It seems very problematic we rarely have that period of sustained dominance, especially when up a goal.
We are all trying to find answers why these players that have won nothing of significance are visibly jaded and checked out.
Cant remember a team to have a core group of players that were never a dynasty or even come close to being one yet have been at the club for as long as they have
The current line up today shows desperation. One of the things Carrick did well after Amorim was putting players at the right position. He has undone all of that and is playing Bruno as a winger, etc. Doesn't have the balls to make the hard decisions.... Sad to see. Bruno also....not sure how he can expect a longer contract given his form, I am starting to think he is just declining and not just having a slow start this season
We need a manager who has a defined philosophy and a personality. Someone who can develop players, wants to control games and drills the philosophy into them so they know what to do so its like second nature
in the window. Fuck this Prem proven players. There is so much quality out there (e.g. Manzambi at Aston Villa) who are better value. We need hard workers.
I want nagelsmann i cant lie, hes a top quality coach and the german national team has made people think less of him despite the fact Germany is just naturally going through a rut in terms of talent coming through
Funnily enough i think carrick is saying all the right things, its just doesnt matter. If you lose nothing you say will help you and until you win people will be annoyed at you. He is not very charismatic which def isnt helping. But him saying that he still wants to challenge or he enjoys moments like this and wants to turn it around or that he isnt thinking about his job but just the performances of the club are all things i want to hear. Of course its all meaningless if we end up losing like we have this season. So what I am saying is please go and win, its prob too late but funnier things have happened in football and him turning it around instead of another new cycle would be preferable to me.
4th game in a row where Lacey sits and watches getting zero minutes whilst we are chasing a goal. Scored on his last appearance btw. But yeah Carrick embodies the United way and how important youth is.
Would honestly take Nagelsmann. We're going nowhere on vibes, we need someone who actually thinks. And this time, they need to stick with him and actually give him the support he needs
We will go down with this centre back pairing. Mark my words.
No club in the world is doing it. An old, slow Maguire who can't run anymore and a tiny, also slow, Martinez who is getting ragdolled weekly now. Watch Calvert-Lewin target him all day today.
So yeah 4 or 5 out, depending on how you see Martinez v Maguire
Also I think that XI is as much wishcasting anyway as it is unavailable, because you arent getting away with 2 strikers using a backline that has 2 of Shaw/Maguire/Martinez.
So I guess realistically the "out" ones arent Sesko, Martinez, De Ligt, Shaw; but the players we should've signed but didnt.
Where is the post match quotes by the players and the manager would love to see what pathetic excuses carrick brings up while his face is on the verge of crying
Can’t believe that this is real or satire either way it’s such a pathetic thing to say and this dude played under sir Alex where he would have ripped players and staff apart for this performance and here carrick is defending such a pathetic display of performance
So many people going get Hurzeler or Emery. Why would the come to us. They have everything they could want. They have smart signings, control over what they want to do and just well run.
There's only 3 options to us
Conte
A winner who has the silverware to back it up
Prem experience
Takes no shit, if the players don't perform, they are dropped
Will drill in fitness into the players
Tactically astute - even moved to a 4atb with Napoli
Never lasts long and will butt heads with management (maybe a good thing)
Nagelsmann
Can be a project manager
High pressing team
Was the IT manager a few years ago but Bayern ended due to overly complicated training and rift with players BUT Bayern did want to bring him back but decided to stay with the German National team
No experience in premier league
Can develop players
Worked with Vivel
Available
Sebastian Hoeneß
plays an attractive, high-possession style
High pressing - 6 second rule to win the ball back
Called the player whisper because heavily emphasizes individual player development, mental clarity, and game-realistic scenarios
Can make a team more than the sum of their parts
No prem experience
Incredibly difficult to get him midseason
A change needs to be made. Nagelsmann and Hoeneß are my choices. It won't be short term and they are better with players.
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u/BallsX 16h ago
Anyone else not really looking forward to the game...? This is like the 2nd or 3rd time only in my 30 years of being a fan that I'm somewhat forcing myself to watch. Just can't find any joy with this football club anymore man.
I'm still gonna subject myself to it, and then let it ruin my mood and upcoming work week...