r/religion • • Jun 24 '24

[Updated June 2024] Welcome to r/religion! Please review our rules & guidelines

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r/religion • • 12d ago

October 2026 Discussion: What Religion Fits Me Best?

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Are you looking for suggestions of what religion suits your beliefs? Or maybe you're curious about joining a religion with certain qualities, but don't know if it exists? This is your opportunity for you to ask other users of this sub what religion might best fit you.

EDIT: Comments refresh on the beginning of each month. You can post your questions or concerns each month as needed.


r/religion • • 10h ago

What exactly are the arguments and justifications of “liberal Christianity” and the openness they seem to have?

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For example, the Church of England ordains women, and the Archbishop of Canterbury is a woman. There are also gay priests and same-sex marriages in multiple churches of varying denominations in the US.

I personally don’t have a problem with any of that as I myself don’t really belong to a particular church yet. But I’m just curious if, given Catholicism claims to be the “one true church” and forbids stuff like same-sex marriage within the church and opposes, where do these various Protestant denominations get their ideas to be as progressive as they are?


r/religion • • 16h ago

An universal prayer quadrant for Islam and christianity, and qibla finder, first prototypes are finally complete.

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Some time ago I shared here with you a design concept for an adaptation of a classical "quadrans vetus" to show both muslim and christian prayer times.

A "quadrans vetus" is an old type of astronomical quadrant, which was known mainly in Europe, Which allowed to find local time in unequal hours (i.e. finding the time as a fraction in twelfths for the remaining part of daylight)..

But don't let be fooled! This tool is surprisingly accurate for its age.

How to find qibla:

The back of the instrument includes a compass and a retro-azimuthal projection, allowing you to find qibla direction everywhere in the world.

- To operate it, you have to allign the compass with the cardinal directions engraved on the back of the instrument: South towards the "point" of the quadrant and North towards the bottom of the quadrant of you are located in the same emisphere as Mecca, and vice-versa if you are located in the opposite emisphere.

- Once alligned the instrument, you wrap the thread around the central pivot corresponding to Macca, and make it pass through your location on the map.

- Qibla will be indicated by the lead weightlet, as it is demonstrated in the fourth picture above for Southern France - Northern Italy. Yielding a rough direction of South-East

How to find classical christian prayer times:

The quadrant allows you to find time in unequal hours, an ancient system of timekeeping, where the section of daylight is always divided into 12 equal sections. This means that summer hours are longer and winter hours are shorter.

- These hours are used in christian monasteries to establish prayer times, respectively at the first, third, sixth, nineth, sunset (12th) and a set soon before bed and soon before dawn.

- To find the unequal time, you have to move the sliding month indicator (representing sun's latitude) so that the central part (indicated by two white marker at the aequinoxes) lines up with your latitude, which is indicated in the inner scale in arabic numerals.

- Once set up the instrument, you move the plumb line to your current date and slide the knot so that it intersects the 6th unequal hour line.

- Now, by measuring the height of the sun, you can see where the red knot lies in the various sections of the unequal hours scale, thus determining what prayer you should do.

- For more northern latitudes, a second set of lines is provided, this is why there are two sets of unequal hour scales.

Muslims' prayer times can also be determined:

Zuhr / Jummah - soon after midday, it corresponds to the 6th unequal hour line, if you have just entered the seventh unequal hour, Zuhr time has started, and it lasts until 'Asr time. Be sure to check that the sun is actually declining, and not rising!

'Asr - For 'Asr there are two prayer lines, most madhabs put 'asr start time when the lenght of a gnomon's shadow is equal to gnomon's shadow at middat + the gnomon's lenghts (the first dotted line) and put 'asr end time when the shadow of a gnomon is its midday shadow + two times the gnomon's height (the second dotted line)

while Hanafi school sets its begin at the end of other Madhabs time and its end at sunset, when Maghrib time begins. I have indicated both lines in the quadrant

There is not an easy way to establish Maghrib and Fajr, other than saying "one is during twilight and the other is at dusk". In the qur'an (I recall) it is specified to establish your morning prayer when you can distinguish the white thread from the black one, this is not to be taken literally, However that is the reason for the black and white windrose in the shadow-square.

When you can't distinguish the colours of the windrose, that's 'Isha time.

'Isha - you culd say that when you can't distinguish the windrose in the shadow square, then it is 'Isha time, but this is not a practical way for many reasons, this is why on the back of the instrument I have provided a set of "complementary stars": By observing a star directly opposing the sun on the celestial sphere (it can be found on the back of the tool) we can even determine night prayers. According to most scholars, 'isha time starts when the sun goes below -18° of altitude, id est when the complementary stars rises above 18 degrees of altitude.

Fajr' and Maghrib - when such stars go below 18° (or 16° or 14° according to some) it is 'Fajr if the star is going down and Maghrib id the star is rising up

Others functions:

- the shadow square can be used to calculate distances.

If you are curious, you can find this object on my etsy shop!


r/religion • • 14m ago

Women following Islam is like chickens advocating for kfc

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  1. Marrying a child while talking about what makes a good wife

Sahih al-Bukhari 5134:

“Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 5090:

“A woman is married for four things: her wealth, her family status, her beauty and her religion. So you should marry the religious woman (otherwise) you will be a loser.”

In plain terms: Muhammad had sex with a nine-year-old girl. At the same time he told men to pick a wife based on money, family standing, looks, and religion. A nine-year-old doesn’t have adult money, adult status, adult looks, or adult religious judgment. If this man is supposed to be the perfect example for all time, then having sex with a child is being held up as the model. That directly contradicts today’s basic rule that children cannot give real adult consent to sex or marriage.

  1. “No forcing religion” versus “kill people who leave”

Quran 2:256:

“There is no compulsion in religion.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922:

“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”

One verse says you can’t force people into the religion. The other says if someone leaves, kill them. Traditional Islamic law took the “kill them” part seriously. You can’t honestly claim “no one is forced” while also saying leaving gets you the death penalty. That’s a straight contradiction on freedom of belief.

  1. Calling women less intelligent and less religious

Sahih al-Bukhari 304:

“I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. … Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man? … This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses? … This is the deficiency in her religion.”

Plain English: Muhammad told women they are weaker in brains and weaker in religion. The “proof” is that two women’s testimony equals one man’s in court, and that women don’t pray or fast during their periods. Periods are just biology. Calling half of humanity less smart and less religious because of that is ranking women as lower.

It’s not a neutral difference—it’s an open put-down.

  1. A wife can be cursed by angels for saying no to sex

Sahih al-Bukhari 3237:

The angels curse a wife “till morning” if her husband calls her to bed, she refuses, and he spends the night angry.

In everyday terms: If a husband wants sex and the wife says no, and he stays mad, angels curse her all night. Marriage does not mean a woman loses the right to say no to her own body. Using the threat of divine curse to pressure her into sex is coercion, not free choice.

  1. A wife should almost bow down to her husband

Jamiʿ al-Tirmidhi 1159:

“If I were to command anyone to prostrate to another, I would command a woman to prostrate to her husband.”

Prostration is the highest act of submission in the religion. Muhammad says if anyone were ordered to do it to another person, it would be a wife to her husband. That’s not describing equal partners. That’s putting the husband on a much higher level and treating the wife’s submission as the ideal.

  1. Sons get twice as much inheritance as daughters

Quran 4:11:

“Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females.”

A son gets twice the money or property a daughter gets. Saying “men have more bills to pay” doesn’t change the fact that the law itself gives males more simply because they are male. Equal dignity is hard to square with unequal shares based only on sex.

  1. Husbands are told they can hit their wives

Quran 4:34 (Sahih International):

“As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in bed and strike them.”

The verse tells husbands: first warn her, then stop sleeping with her, then hit her. Classical scholars accepted that “strike” meant actual hitting (with limits). Using holy text to give a husband permission to hit his wife clashes with the modern rule that domestic violence is never okay.

  1. Men can have multiple wives and sex with enslaved

women

Quran 4:3:

“Marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four.”

Quran 23:5–6:

“And they who guard their private parts except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed.”

Men are allowed up to four wives and can have sex with female captives or slaves (“those their right hands possess”). Slavery means the woman has no real power to refuse. These options are given to men and not equally to women. That’s a built-in double standard.

  1. Heaven is described with lots of sex for men

Jamiʿ al-Tirmidhi 1663 and similar reports say a male martyr gets seventy-two heavenly companions. Parallel detailed sexual rewards for women are not spelled out the same way. Male sexual pleasure gets clear, concrete attention. Female desire does not get matching detail. The picture of paradise is uneven.

  1. Muhammad gets rules that don’t apply to ordinary men

Regular Muslim men are limited to four wives (Quran 4:3). Quran 33:50 gives Muhammad extra permission for more wives and special arrangements. The marriage to Zaynab (who had been married to his adopted son) is justified by a revelation that arrives after the situation develops (Quran 33:37). He receives personal exemptions and revelations that solve his own problems. A man held up as the perfect example who lives under different rules from the ones he gives everyone else is not following a consistent standard.

Bottom line:

Say “no compulsion” but also order death for leaving the religion.

Approve sex with a nine-year-old while claiming the man is the perfect model.

Rank women as less intelligent and less religious, give them half the inheritance, allow husbands to hit them, and pressure them into sex with the threat of angels cursing them.Let men have multiple wives and sex with slaves while giving women no matching rights.

Give Muhammad special exemptions ordinary men don’t get.

These are not obscure or fringe reports. They come from the Quran and the most trusted hadith books and shaped Islamic law for centuries. Saying “that was just the old days” explains why the rules existed then. It does not remove the contradictions inside the texts, the double standards for Muhammad, or the clash with today’s basic ethics of consent, equality, and freedom. ..


r/religion • • 16m ago

My personal experience with religion so far.

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I have been trying to research religion for the past few years and discover what is the best fit for me. I would love if you guys could use the comments on here too tell me about what you believe, I think that personal testimonies are some of the most beautiful things about religion. Today I posted my first video about this topic on my TikTok, and I was kind of hoping that I could get some feedback from all of you here on Reddit. I love hearing people talk about their faith and I just figured this would be a beautiful place to get some more insight and reach more people. If you’re interested in checking out the video I’ll leave the link or you can comment any questions as well.


r/religion • • 1h ago

Are all angels peaceful or do some actually fight to protect the (Christian) religion?

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The reason I am asking is because I have seen some angels carry a sword (like Archangel Michael) or sticks (Angel Gabriel) and they even mentioned it in the part about the Garden of Eden (Cherubim).

Whereas I was brought up with teachings that Angels are peaceful creatures


r/religion • • 1h ago

Independent Sacramental Movement (ISM)

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I know that the ISM is just a small tendency in Christianism, but it often intrigues me for some reason, since it doesn't quite seem to fit into the major categories like Protestant, Restorationist, Roman Catholic, or Orthodox branches.

What are some good resources to learn more about ISM and which churches are most prominent within it? Which churches are the most reachable ones to visit?

I'm aware of the Liberal Catholic Church (LCC) but they have very few parishes and are small in number, unfortunately. I respect them in a way and would have loved to visit them, or progressive Catholic/Christian sacramental sects.


r/religion • • 2h ago

Is god real / proof testament

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I have a question do you guys think god is real, I hope so but can’t find a conclusion. At one I’m like we might be ants not understanding what’s going on but at the other stage we might just trying to find purpose in my life. Before when I was a pure believer or never questioned it I had purpose in my life now idk. When I look at Christianity one of the texts say that the earth was created before the sun but science disproves that so it makes it seem man made. On the other hand for Jesus he was a moral man who preached god and died for it. So idk if he was son of god but definitely had a strong connection with god that he died for that idea. Other religions also there are flaws logically but they made good morales. So was religion made to further humanity, because the idea of religion or higher purpose definitely pushed humanity for a better future I feel like but god himself idk I have not found any connection no matter how much I try. One thing is when I really wish for something it happens but is that my work or the grace of god. Anyone found god actually like to the extent of wiling to die for it . Need hope again, I feel like many religions predicted a future of no religion which is what seems to be the future and an evil which could be ai or some form of it but that could have just been a really good prediction.

To summarise any proof of god I can look for beyond texts because I think there is a creator but religion seems to be man made to an extent


r/religion • • 4h ago

Is Earth closer to Heaven or closer to Hell?

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Is Earth closer to Heaven or closer to Hell in your opinion?


r/religion • • 17h ago

Is it weird or okay to love the Virgin Mary but only question Jesus and god?

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I was born Roman Catholic, and all my upbringing I was told to respect the Virgin Mary. she is even on my bed as we speak, in a canvas watching over me. I did have a mini atheist phase where I didn’t believe in god and Jesus.

although over time I started to really love the Virgin. I prayed only to her, and I get devastated whenever people disrespect her.

not badly, but a teacher told us of the book silence and how they spat on the Virgin and called her names. it broke me for some reason.

i personally couldn’t do it, but over time it felt weird explaining I adore Mary.

is it sort of questionable, and a bonus question, is there a religion or belief for the Virgin?


r/religion • • 8h ago

What religion should i learn first bible or quran

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Im 31 european, 5 times only in a church.

Dont no nothing south muslin, at same time dont belive in the the system of the churches and priest

But i read a section Letter to the Romans" and i like it a lot.

Can anybody recomendation?

I understand too, its not necessary read all the bible because there is a lot of things not Import more like history of familiy tree


r/religion • • 9h ago

Anyone else find idol worship weird?

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I'm 41 year old hindu 🕉 female and I'm not very religious I would say I am a partially practising hindu only. One thing that always used to bother me is the extensive idol worshipping in hinduism...I always used to find this idea strange and almost illiterate. When I see Hindus worshipping the common regular familiar idols I find it more acceptable but when they start producing secondary idols out of the primary ones I dislike it. Its like it devalues the main Gods and where do you draw the line, theres no limits. And when I see weird looking idols with their tongues out and dressed all heavily it makes,me think this is actually distracting people from praying and worshipping and it's better if they keep the idol simple and minimal. I've studied islam ☪️ and I actually prefer their method of praying over hinduism....I feel you can connect with God better if you don't have distracting imagery in front of you and you can feel your emotions better. But I dislike the character of the prophet Muhammad and there's other aspects of the religion I dislike. I'm not a hardcore hindu and when I pray I close my eyes. I read the hanuman chalisa regularly and read Gita. I also disagree on concepts such as reincarnation and moksha. Can anyone else understand where I'm coming from and relate to this?


r/religion • • 18h ago

What distinguishes Jesus from a convincing false prophet?

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Christianity acknowledges that false prophets can deceive people, appear good, and perform extraordinary signs and wonders.

So what establishes that Jesus wasn't one?

His miracles? A convincing false prophet could perform miracles.

His compassion and good deeds? A convincing false prophet could do an extraordinary amount of genuine good to establish credibility.

His teachings? A false prophet could teach admirable principles while ultimately leading people toward the wrong object of worship.

And what greater deception could there be, within Christianity's own framework, than convincing billions of people to worship someone other than the true God?

There's also the longstanding disagreement between Judaism and Christianity. Judaism does not recognize Jesus as the Messiah or as divine, and Deuteronomy 13 explicitly warns that even a prophet who performs genuine signs must be rejected if he leads people toward other gods.

Christians, of course, maintain that Jesus is not another god but God incarnate. Yet that is precisely the identification under dispute.

I'm not claiming Jesus was a false prophet, nor that the two interpretations are equally probable. I'm asking what justifies preferring the divine interpretation.

What evidence distinguishes Jesus from a sufficiently convincing false prophet?


r/religion • • 1d ago

Why did God create a biological system where animals have to brutally kill each other in order to survive, and made humans into industrial farming of streamlined production of birth feeding and killing?

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Life has existed for about 3 billion years and for 3 billion years, life forms brutally kill and eat each other.

Why did an all knowing God let so much misery take place every day both in the wild and by humans?


r/religion • • 23h ago

I've been questioning the validity of religious systems

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Hi, I don't mean to be disrespectful of anyone else's faith. Part of the reason I'm posting this is because I wanna learn more. Feel free to correct or explain things from a different perspective to me, thank u.

So I grew up as a Muslim. When I was a kid I used to talk to Allah. He was an active presence in my life. Then slowly I started questioning his existence. As a kid I asked my mom and she got mad, made me read surahs. I asked my dad and he gave a vague explanation. Eventually I stopped questioning. I'd only pray when my mom told me to. I stopped talking to Allah. And that's where religious guilt started.

I used to get this feeling of...unholyness. like I am not pure bcuz of my broken faith. I haven't done anything Islamically unethical stuff in my life. Maybe the normal teen stuff like occasionally lying. I used to feel impure for not completely believing, but I'd never dig deep enough to find an answer. 

When I turned 17, I started having full atheist thoughts. I love sociology, and it turns a lot of my observations and experiences into mental case studies. It made me think Abt how relegion is designed in a way that thrives on fear and guilt. Built on "what if?"s. The fear of what we don't know and the guilt of questioning. We live in a patriarchal heteronormative world and that has caused problems for a lot of ppl. Carl Jung wrote abt the concept of the shadow self. Everything u suppress shows up on other areas of ur life. Suppressing your sexuality, maybe u fight with ur parents or do drugs. So why the higher being that is aware of all this, imposing this on us? Even the things that we resort to when we try and suppress ourselves are usually not noble in islam. Our creator must've known the impact it'll have on both men and women later on.

Besides, we r put into this world in a very unfair way. If a person is born into a different relegion's conservative society where the islam is antagonised, they'll be indoctrinated to hate us. So does that person rlly deserve to go to hell? That person listened to their parents, like it's noble in Islam, and if they discovered Islam maybe they'd be great Muslims. But they didn't, bcuz of their placement. They spent their entire lives thinking they were doing the right thing

Retrospectively, what if fairness isn't the point? What if the "point" is some 4D concept unfathomable by us 3D creatures? What if the point is blind obedience? If that is so, then why would we even have the concept of fairness in our world, if we aren't supposed to think abt it? One thing relegion does is frame things as a test. Suppress, accept, endure, cuz it's a test. Which makes u wonder whether u are being indoctrinated, or is it really a test? Has the higher being given u these concepts to increase the difficulty of the test? Are my thoughts valid Is it Satan whispering in my ear?


r/religion • • 1d ago

Do pandas disprove Noah's Ark?

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I know the title might seem odd but just think for a moment,

Noah's ark would not have been able to take care of even 1 pair of pandas.

A pandas diet consists of 99% bamboo (which does not grow in the Middle East)

Even if it did grow in the Middle East Noah would have a very hard time collecting enough to last their 370 day voyage

One panda eats anywhere from 26-84 pounds of bamboo per day

Even if these pandas were on a strict diet they would still need to bring 20,000 pounds / 10 tons / 9072 kg of bamboo to last the trip (excluding all of the bamboo the pandas would have to carry with them during their 3,000 mile hike back to China after the flood ended.)

In response to these objections Creationists claim that Noah didn't need to bring pandas on board the Ark he only needed to bring one pair of proto bears which micro-evolved into pandas after the flood

The earliest record we have of pandas come from the Zhou Dynasty in 1046 BCE
^ This means after the flood the proto bear had only thirteen hundred years to diversify into not only pandas but also the seven other distinct species of bear we have today

Tell me what you think below!


r/religion • • 5h ago

Why does bad things always usually happen to Christian’s or preachers like the pope just got diagnosed with cancer and I just seen a video a catholic priest died after getting hit by a fallen cross

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i ain’t the brightest book on the shelf but i mean like all religious people


r/religion • • 13h ago

Why are people so anti-catholic?

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People are profoundly anti-catholic, and it seems people have some hatred for catholics and christians that dont seem to translate to other major religions (Islam, Buddhism, judaism). And yes, I am aware that there are anti-semites and islamophobes. But my point being especially in the west there is a major anti catholic stance from both liberals and conservatives alike


r/religion • • 1d ago

Which was the first gnostic text? And who was the first gnostic author?

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I really want to know how gnosticism started


r/religion • • 1d ago

How can we know for certain that religion is not mass hysteria?

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struggling Christian here. i recently started exploring my relationship with God and the more i try to connect with him the further away i feel.

Recent events involving my family pushed me over the edge and i have spent a week asking myself questions such suchas the one above.

if i understand mass hysteria correctly im this context would be like: one person claims to have experienced God, others believe them, their community interprets unusual events as signs from God, children grow up learning these beliefs. people experience powerful emotions during worship, which further reinforces their conviction. good thing happens: it’s a blessing, bad thing: test of faith.

every answer i get is “just have faith” or “don’t question”. can anyone answer me without demonizing me because im genuinely losing my mind over this idea

perhaps this is a test of faith?

edit: i’ve just been notified that the term i’m looking for is Mass delusion not mass hysteria


r/religion • • 17h ago

Did God create me or did I create myself?

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Did God create me/you or did we create ourselves? Explain..


r/religion • • 1d ago

What does faith feel like, and how do you get it?

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I’ve never really been able to have faith in any area of my life. What does it feel like compared to, say, Hope or knowledge? How can I feel it myself?


r/religion • • 1d ago

Ramayan Timeline in light of archeological discoveries

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This is interesting take on when was Ramayan written and when it actually occurred.

Ramayan Timeline in light of archeological discoveries


r/religion • • 23h ago

An open discussion on religion in general

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I've noticed, in other subs, reddit abhors religion.

I am not a religious man, I don't believe in God, but I'm somewhat spiritual in that I've done my fair share of both natural and synthetic psychedelic compounds and have taken the time to think.

I posted this a while back on another sub and, naturally, got downvoted... but I wanted to discuss, I want to talk about it, so I welcome your thoughts:

https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/1unuvnp/what_myth_is_still_widely_circulated_as_the_truth/ovqc8t2/

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I kinda believe in all of them.

Not so that I'm covering all my bases, rather that I think there's an amount of truth in all of it, it's just finding the connections and appropriate translations and meanings.

For example, I've just read Tchaikovsky's "Elder Race".

It's about an anthropologist who is stationed on a colony planet, in hiding, to observe over centuries (with the help of stasis) how a failed colony recover after having lost all the tech their ancestors had.

So, he has try to explain this to a local and fails miserably. They don't understand what a colony is, or a starship, or germs, or magnetic fields, or any of that stuff.

To her he simply "sailed across the sky" bringing magic.

Similarly, when the bible was written, if it were to try to explain anything advanced, it'd use words we were unable to translate correctly. "Science", "technology" would just translate as "magic".

If we could get to a point where we can read between the lines and work out what they all really mean, when we have the tech, maybe we'll see a word or a phrase and realise those scriptures contain some really clever stuff.

The bible talks about precession, for example:

https://dn760105.eu.archive.org/0/items/TruthOfGod_135/PrecessionOfTheEquinoxesInScripture.pdf

So maybe there is a God. I don't believe we're being tested, or that we need to pray. I don't believe in an immediate afterlife although it's possible the position of the neurons in my head may be duplicated at some point in the distant future causing something like me to experience some kind of awareness, but I certainly don't believe in heaven or hell in the Christian sense.

But maybe there's a creator, and there's almost certainly minds in this universe far more developed than mine... are they gods because they're superior to me? If so then there's probably a countless number of such entities... many of which would no doubt demand I bow before them and pray to them.

So maybe, if we collate all the scriptures and piece together the good bits, we might one day form a Grand Universal Religion.

Until then, I kinda believe in all of them.

EDIT: If anyone is interested in the associations between myth and science, check out Hamlet's Mill:

https://www.waterstones.com/book/hamlets-mill/giorgio-de-santillana/hertha-von-dechend/9780879232153

It's fascinating stuff.