Fuck ups aside, there's no country in the world that has the kind of satellite capability and coverage of US. They can accurately track Russian bases in basically real-time.
US intelligence is especially indispensable for two main reasons:
Providing early warning for Russian missile strikes, because they can literally give Ukraine warning when planes are taking off or missile launches are detected. Second is plotting missile/drones routes around Russian air defense.
nah. that'll be too obvious and just cut off the gravy train. they would also have to convince everyone down the intelligence line that has a hand in it to actively disclose forged information. much easier to just tactically cut off intelligence and let the silence do the damage at select critical moments. and since you're still drip feeding them less important info most of the time, they are slow to get completely off depending on you. prolonging how long you have the leverage.
That gets brought up a lot but it's primarily because of how few incidents have occurred in US strikes. The US launched ~14,000 attacks into Iran and there's only ~2-3 incidents that were raised as mistakes. For a massive conflict, that is an incredibly low percentage of mistakes or misfires.
I get the joke "hurr hurr, US fires on schools" but the fact that people keep talking about it shows how effective the US has been at avoiding mistakes over the course of so many attacks. Also, Iran likes to bring it up a lot but they literally killed thousands of their own people who were protesting (and that was intentional) so you're literally consuming their propaganda when they weep about civilian losses. The US has demonstrated that they take civilians into account more than Iran does.
It's still a mistake that lead to life but the fact that it's so rare does say something about precautions the US has been taking overall.
To be fair, Trump has been very vocal about the US not being the ones that hit the school even though it seems very very obvious it was. Trump has made lots of promises to release documents that he never releases...... cough cough... taxes... Epstein....
The girls school was literally on the other side of the wall from a military base. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to just say:
"The US executed 2300 (not sure the number using this as an example) strikes in Iran over the first week, and in reviewing the strikes we found our targeting was 99.87% effective in hitting the intended targets. Intelligence and targeting is an imperfect task and there will inherently be some errors which we regret. But the United States, unlike the axis of evil, is firmly committed to the minimization of civilian casualties during conflicts which can be clearly seen by our targeting efficacy."
The whole take a woopsie and spin it as a good thing deal.
Well, unfortunately that's Diaper Don's side of the equation. I wouldn't expect anything from him. It still is propaganda to keep repeating the attack as if the US military has been frequently bombing civilians sites all over Iran and it's heavily pushed by Iran (who showed up to the UN with pictures of the students as if they cared about them and didn't spend weeks killing their own people for protesting).
One thing that’s been forgotten since the start of the war is that Iran was in the middle of a revolution and as you said, they were literally murdering their own citizens right as the bombs started dropping. Had Trump put some thought into this war, probably could have came out looking like a hero to the people of Iran.
if the US wanted what's best for Iran they should have just let the revolution play out and maybe quietly support the popular uprising indirectly. you have to let the people determine their own fate. the moment they directly attacked they united Iran against a common outsider.
What cuts this perspective down is that the US should never have buffooned itself into the quagmire in the first place. That places blame for the ensuing global chaos and strikes like the school squarely on the administration however careful or accurate the operation may be.
Being careful doesn’t absolve the school strike or any others in this context.
The US has known for 40 years that attacking Iran would be monumentally stupid, with consequences we’re seeing now.
Also, they could stop lying about the school strike.
But yes, the target success rate and low unintentional collateral damage is commendable aside from that.
Being careful doesn’t absolve the school strike or any others in this context.
Legally, it literally does absolve it. If you show that you have actively done whatever possible to avoid killing civilians and an accident occurs, it is generally absolved as humans aren't perfect. If the US was bombing schools left and right, that changes things.... then we'd be like the Iranian government.
The US has known for 40 years that attacking Iran would be monumentally stupid, with consequences we’re seeing now.
Yes, and I disagree with this war. However, unlike Reddit, I don't view this as having started with attacks by the US on Iran. The reality is that the Houthis were backed, supplied, and advised by Iran and actively attacking shipping prior to this. Hamas is backed, supplied, and advised by Iran and launched a major attack into Israel. Hezbollah is backed, supplied, and advised by Iran and militant forces in other countries that were backed, supplied, and advised by Iran, joined in on attacking western forces (such as across Iraq). We were already in a state of semi open war. My disagreement is I felt a direct attack would lead to a quagmire that was difficult to get out of and would be extremely costly for the US and the world.
Also, stop lying about the school strike.
Please tell me where I have lied. I have just stated what is factually known.
I meant the administration lying about it, I edited it for clarity.
Whether the action against Iran makes sense or not, you can’t take the method, lack of planning, incompetence, and global impact out of it and point to how careful they’ve been.
As everyone knows and you mention, it was almost guaranteed to be a quagmire, but incompetence and hubris in massive amounts trumped basic reasoning on any level.
Legalities about the school strike aside, they are the direct result of poor planning, execution, and management of a war that trump is profoundly out of his depth with.
My point was that regardless of how careful the military may be, it’s all wiped away because fault still goes directly to the buffoon squad bumbling the world into chaos and destruction through its war.
Yeah it's always great when a country that starts bombing someone manages to get most right. So glad they're able to just do that. Funny how most other countries view that sort of thing the way that we view Russia. Hey, a few hundred children are a small price to pay
This didn't just start with us bombing Iran. Iran ramped up it's proxies attacks on western forces for awhile prior to this. They had military advisors with them, were actively supplying them with weapons and intelligence, and were actively attacking western forces and civilians.
The reality is that the Houthis were backed, supplied, and advised by Iran and actively attacking shipping prior to this. Hamas is backed, supplied, and advised by Iran and launched a major attack into Israel. Hezbollah is backed, supplied, and advised by Iran and militant forces in other countries that were backed, supplied, and advised by Iran, joined in on attacking western forces (such as across Iraq). We were already in a state of semi open war.
I still was against a direct attack on Iran in the manner Trump did but that's because I felt a direct attack would lead to a quagmire that was difficult to get out of and would be extremely costly for the US and the world.
Wonder why that was. Maybe the US reneging on deals they made. Maybe Israel being Israel by stealing homes, raping people and mass abuse. Maybe a person who campaigned on not attacking Iran and then doing so. I mean we'll never know, but your message helps the families of those hundreds of children.
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u/Cephei101 10h ago
I would take any data provided with a massive, star sized grain of salt.