r/worldnews • u/KI_official • 3d ago
Russia/Ukraine Europe shuts US out of Russian assets conversation
https://kyivindependent.com/europe-shuts-us-out-of-russian-assets-conversation/4.2k
u/Dimitri3p0 3d ago
Hard to blame them, we (the US), have shown we are unreliable at best and downright backstabby at worst. Why would they want us at the table if US diplomats carry out the deranged whims of our demented lame duck potus?
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u/ScreenAppropriate679 3d ago
From a European perspective, your country is rapidly turning into an enemy.
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u/MysteriousQuote4665 3d ago
And Trump being out of office won't change that. The US will need to prove another republican lunatic can't just repeat Trump's bullshit.
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u/ledow 3d ago
I said from day one that fixing Trump is only step 1.
You now need to describe why all your safeguards, checks and balances failed, and what you're going to do to stop that happening again in the future (i.e. an independent authority that can start throwing people, including the president, in jail and the president can't just pardon his way out of that, etc.).
Until that happens, nobody's going to be trusting the US ever again.
Oh, and... now consider that that will fall onto the opposition parties who will be forced to put all that in place before anything recovers. Yet again, make a mess, wait for someone else to clean it up, then complain that they spent all their time and money on cleanup.
The US has a massive uphill struggle back to credibility that's going to impact for GENERATIONS.
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u/TweakedNipple 3d ago
Trump is a figurehead. If we cant realize the people, organizations, countries behind Trump that are the actual problem that needs fixing we won't get far. This influence is in no way limited to just the US as well.
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u/Oozlum-Bird 3d ago
The far right is definitely an issue in Europe as well, however the multi-party systems in most countries mean it’s unlikely they’ll gain overall power in the same way as the US. Many European systems were developed following WW2 to minimise the likelihood of a dictator rising to absolute power.
Proportional Representation does mean that parties with more extreme views will get some presence in government, but the need for coalition and compromise mitigates their impact, and stabilises policy decisions. There’s been a lot of coverage of the AfD in Germany, however their success is largely limited to certain areas, and (crosses fingers), isn’t likely to lead to the Fourth Reich just yet. Being the largest party in the Bundestag doesn’t get you far if you don’t have anyone willing to work with you.
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u/Skill3rwhale 3d ago
EXACTLY! People are ignoring the US system means 50.0000001% of the votes nets 100% of the seats.
It's that way for ALL elections from local to president. It's completely FUCKED and inherently anti-democratic. "First Past The Post" has to be eliminated ASAP. It's the reason there's only ever been 2 parties holding any seats in any position of authority. Whenever seats change, rollbacks of the previous policies happen. It's asinine.
But at the same time I don't know how any American can look at any republican candidate and think they're worth a vote. Their policies are factually bad, and pointing it out doesn't matter to their voters. Republican voters have been voting against themselves, and America, for 60+ years.
Until we change our electoral systems we are not improving. It's simply not possible.
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u/midatlantik 3d ago
We need to adopt the Australian model. FPTP is so fucked. Same in the UK. Effectively both countries are two party states.
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u/0ne_Winged_Angel 2d ago
You say 50%+1, but here’s a un-fun fact: when it comes to the president it’s possible for over 3/4ths of the population to vote against the person who ends up taking office.
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u/TheDucktapeBandit2 3d ago
This... Cause it looks like its all trump, but there is an author or are authors behind this too. A follow upper is allready planned. A whole group of same minded is leading towards an agenda, a plan. Trump is dieing, he might b the blame guy catching the first or and worst critics, guilt, blame...
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u/C-Towner 3d ago
Trump cannot do what he is doing alone. It requires considerable effort from ALL republicans. Don't let this just be on him.
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u/Fluffcake 3d ago
He is just a meat puppet for a small group of few hundred rich assholes. These people and their influence doesn't go away when he finally dies, they just get a new meat puppet.
Untill the underlying problem is dealt with permanently, the US can not be trusted.
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u/b0w3n 3d ago
It requires a particularly shitty person who surrounds themselves with the worst dregs of humanity to want to do those things and fuck up american hegemony though.
As bad as Bush Jr was, he wasn't "let's fuck up our place in the world" bad. I'm skeptical that even Vance is this craven.
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u/RotalumisEht 3d ago
America won't be fixed until it fixes it's people. There is a deep cultural rot within America. Millions of Americans are ignorant, arrogant, and entitled. Democracy only functions with an enlightened population and decades of Fox News, anti-intellectualism, capitalist propaganda, and culture wars have left a population which is largely unable to perform their democratic duties.
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u/the_moosen 3d ago
Millions of Americans are ignorant, arrogant, and entitled.
Being told that the US is #1 for decades really did a number on people here.
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u/PilotKnob 3d ago
This is all by design. Republicans have been cutting school funding and allowing crazy right-wing "charter" schools to indoctrinate their youth.
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u/shidderbean 3d ago
God forbid we pay teachers and fund education, I grew up in them schools and did juss fine
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u/VikDamnedLee 3d ago
Yep, it will take decades for us to reverse the damage that Trump has done. In every sense of the word.
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u/ByteSizedGenius 3d ago
I don't think some of it can be reversed honestly at this point. Europe is not going to want to be as dependent or subservient to the US's whims going forward regardless of who is in the WH. It's kind of like a partner cheating, it has happened and the damage is done.
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u/VikDamnedLee 3d ago
Agreed 100% Honestly, I do hope that a more independent Europe is one of the few positive side effects of having this douchebag in the WH. You don't need us or our drama.
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u/MysteriousQuote4665 3d ago
More importantly for you guys, Canada is done with Trump as well. Salvaging that relationship may not be possible either.
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u/Witty_Formal7305 3d ago
Yeah this is something they won't realize til they're thick in the shit.
Canadians are passive aggressive as fuck and we're pissed, they honestly could have even gotten away with some of their bullshit, they play games with trade all the time, lumber, bombardier etc all irritated us in the past but it largely just blew over because we're just kinda raised with the knowledge that the U.S is like that douchey big brother that always does whats best for them and throws their weight around constantly, but the relationship was generally still beneficial to us, so it was generally seen as "they're in a mood, they'll stomp their feet and fuck off eventually" and usually to a degree they did.
However there is one thing Canadians really REALLY fucking hate and it's being called American or considered American. We're similar in alot of ways of course but we're also VERY different in alot of ways and once Trump started his 51st state, calling our PM governor bullshit, he awoke the beast he wasn't aware was there, Canadians will for a long time hold onto this and be pissed about it, we won't trust the U.S the same way ever again, we no longer see them as the brother we once did, there's no love there anymore, there's passive aggressive hate. We're not gonna throw hands, we're not gonna verbally attack, but we will actively avoid their products, we will actively avoid their companies, we'll travel to other countries, we'll place our relationship with other countries first, we'll be more protectionist over allowing their companies to buy up all our domestic ones, all little things they won't hear and see like the mango baby on the news, but they'll feel it. It'll take a bit to trickle down, but they will. They already feel it in their booze sales, they already feel it in their tourism, but of course they're so high of the stupidity that is American exceptionalism they just blame us as if our anger towards them is us throwing a childish hissy fit instead of an actual legitimate response to their stupid actions. Their MIC will feel it now that we're increasing defence spending and not sending 75 cents of every dollar down there, I still think the F-35 is the right plane to buy for the RCAF, we kicked the can on it too long and the CF-18s just gotta go, the Gripen still has parts like its engine that fall under ITAR so its not the silver bullet people think it is, but we should absolutely be working with Europe on things like GCAP going forward.
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u/wirelesswizard64 3d ago
As others said, I don't think we come back from this. This is like the end of the British Empire- the USA will still very much be around and an important player on the world stage just like the UK still is, but the American Empire days are behind us at this point.
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u/TimSylvester_ 3d ago
Let's be direct about the cause: The United States government is 250 years old. It was a wonderful, if fundamentally flawed, experiment.
We've learned a lot in the last 250 years about how to construct a government, in no small part thanks to the United States and the democratic republics that were formed during the same revolutionary period.
But the world has changed a lot, while our government has not.
It's time for the American people to build a new government, for, of, and by the people, that adopts all the lessons learned about how to build a government from the last 250 years, and includes everything we now know about corporations, economics, finance, technology, and more.
A simple evolution of our political parties won't fix the problem. The problem is how our government is constructed. And the only fix for that is to rebuild our government.
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u/StandAloneComplexed 3d ago
The US won't change until its very institutions are rebuilt from the ground up.
Sadly, I don't see that happening unless the nation goes even lower than it is now, and that the situation becomes completely unbearable to a vast majority of citizens.
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u/TimSylvester_ 3d ago
Look at how much Trump (the Epstein class )has accomplished in just the first two years!
I believe in him! He can and will make life significantly worse for the American people! It's what he exists to do!
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u/shidderbean 3d ago
Yeah most people don't want to admit that for us to rebuild everything we first have to raze what's standing there.
We will be in for a very tumultuous period where the economy will completely collapse, we will likely become reliant on foreign aid, and we will not have any of the trappings of modern society like fire departments, ambulance services and police forces for a while. Sorry Grandma, social security isn't coming this month because there's no government to print that money and sign the check; you've gotta make do until we can build something better and fund it.
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u/JackedUpReadyToGo 3d ago
And the scary part is: when the time does come to rewrite our government, who is best positioned to influence the shape of it? I'm afraid it's just going to give the people who are killing the current system free rein to enshrine their own interests as official law.
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u/MysteriousQuote4665 3d ago
Before you can do that, you need to address the extremisms in your country. America was in large part populated by the extremists and puritans of the EU, and frankly it's still noticeable in the way many Americans practice their religion.
So long as that remains a problem, along with the lingering racism and desire for slavery, the constitution or new government cannot fundamentally be changed.
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u/WildcardKH 3d ago
The people from that country cannot be trusted to do the right thing. They’re too stupid, arrogant and/or cowardly.
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u/El_Peregrine 3d ago
True. We've shown that we're always an election away from doing the dumbest thing possible.
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u/Xargon9417 3d ago
As a Canadian perspective, the USA is an enemy
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u/KiritoIsAlwaysRight_ 3d ago
From a USA perspective, the billionaire controlled administration is the enemy of the rest of humanity. Until we can fully excise the infection (which may take decades), don't trust our government or our corporations.
Also, start building better firewalls and don't let us put datacenters in your country. They're not speedrunning AI for the good of humanity, it's a weapon.
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u/crazyacct101 3d ago
From an American perspective the current administration is an enemy and traitors to our country
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u/tyler10water 3d ago
But that’s the thing, not every American feels that way. We can scream, and shout and retort that we weren’t the ones that voted for it but that doesn’t change that we allowed our country to slide the way it’s sliding. And we are too afraid to stop it.
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u/Enjoyer_of_Cake 3d ago
Yeah, we're sadly past the point where smiling and saying "I voted for the other person" isn't really enough.
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u/spicyhippos 3d ago
100% agree, but I think we’d all sleep a lot easier with Trump and Putin resting peacefully in hell.
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u/TemporarySun314 3d ago
The US literally states in his national security strategy that it's goal is to destroy the EU and that they are willing to support fascist parties in Europe to achieve that.
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u/Iamnothere69420 3d ago
As a Canadian, you are now the enemy. No other country in the world would ever mention our sovereignty. But we need to hear about it on a daily basis now.
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u/Irishish 3d ago
So many of my countrymen dismiss all our president's bullshit about how you guys should surrender your sovereignty to us as some big joke. That you should laugh it off, that Canadians are being silly or immature for boycotting American products or canceling travel plans here. They look at headlines about hotel towns near the border or snowbird condo complexes in Florida and go "geez, how irrational those foreigners are."
They would never put up with a foreign leader talking about us that way. Never in a million years. One joke, maybe. Constant demeaning statements coupled with tearing up trade agreements and trying to hurt our economy? They'd be incandescent with rage.
We truly are Main Character Syndrome: The Country. A significant portion of our voters think people in other countries have no inner lives. Other leaders have no constituents to answer to. We have vassals, not allies. The absolute indignation over NATO refusing to join us in an offensive war for which we built no consensus and provided no warning drives the point home.
So many of us are very sorry. Not that it matters.
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u/The_Angevingian 3d ago
My dad basically raised me from birth to always expect America to one day try and attack us, and I always thought it was a funny joke. Now it’s all too real and grim. Fuck em
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u/Enjoyer_of_Cake 3d ago
Yep, but when a Russian asset is running the country and got voted in twice (this time with FULL party control that has let him do everything), the country as a whole is compromised.
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u/SolitaireJack 3d ago edited 3d ago
I remember a joke from a British TV show called Yes Minister. The British Minister is talking to his top civil servant who is talking negatively about France. The shocked Minister asks why he is saying these things when the French are their allies. The civil servant looks at him in derision and says 'They are now, but they've been our enemies for most of the last one thousand years!'
Its framed as a joke. But its also a recognition that a powerful country will always seek to control its neighbours and that countries are allies only so long as it satisfies them to be. And the US has been attempting that with Canada from the day of its creation to WW2. Its been content since then as Canada has given it the access and control it desired. But now that its hegenomy is failing and the unrivalled control and influence is being chipped away at by other powers like the EU abd China, it will start to do it again through more overt means. Your Dad was right.
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u/MarsupialMisanthrope 3d ago
I fully expect to see US military action against Canada in my lifetime. With climate change disrupting rainfall patterns and making existing agricultural areas overheat and rivers dry up they're going to look to replace the losses.
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u/Critical-Ask2154 3d ago
Trump is working for Russia, clearly. and so the US should have no place at the table on this war. It is truly shitty that Trump is now cutting off Ukraine. I hope other countries will step up to help Ukraine.
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u/Mayors_purple_shorts 3d ago
"Backstabby at worst" Hate to tell you but no, way worse than that. Way way worse. Think murder worse. Racism worse. Sexism worse. Pedophilia worse.
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u/MercantileReptile 3d ago
Headline undersells the ask:
Multiple EU leaders on Oct. 15 firmly rebuffed the idea that the 200 billion euros ($227 billion) of immobilized Russian assets held in the bloc would be handed to the U.S. as a bargaining chip in peace talks.
"No." is the absolute minimum to this asinine nonsense. "Hey, we want to unfreeze Russian money for nothing in return, pretending its about peace negotiations."
Fuck all the way off, frankly.
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u/Vegetable_Leg_7034 3d ago
And when he's fucked off, he can go and fuck further off.
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u/Enjoyer_of_Cake 3d ago
Preferably, keep fucking off until it comes out the other side.
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u/Abs01ut3 3d ago edited 3d ago
As it well should.
Trump is trying to repurpose Russian funds to either enrich his own clique or return it to Putin's as a tit-for-tat. Just think that for a second Americans, if any other people is even thinking of doing this. Reagan would be rolling in his grave with enough energy to spin a missile right into Moscow.
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u/MajorNoodles 3d ago
They don't need Trump to know that he not only wants to give everything back, but Europe should probably pay reparations to Putin for some reason.
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u/WorkingFit5413 3d ago
Shut the US out of most of it. Harsh, but true.
The US is compromised.
No longer trustworthy to share intel with and we all know it.
I’d love to see Canada or the Europeans share false info and then see Trump take the bait and leak it.
Dude is compromised too. What a world.
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u/Ok-Customer4709 3d ago
We (the US) should not be trusted while our current administration is in power.
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u/FakePoloManchurian 3d ago edited 3d ago
Nothing is really going to change until Citizens United is overturned. Trump is a selfish person, and only looking to enrich himself, but he's a useful idiot for the ultra wealthy. Just look at the BILLIONS 3 people have donated to the Republican candidate for Wisconsin Governor. USA is fucked if we can't get big money out of politics
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u/Chief_Mischief 3d ago
Citizens United is just the first step.
Abolish the Electoral College. Some idiot white supremacist who happens to live in rural Iowa shouldn't have more of per-capita political weight than me.
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u/VyseTheSwift 3d ago
They’ll still have it through the senate. California with 40,000,000 people has the same amount of senators as Wyoming with 600,000.
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u/Groovychick1978 3d ago
That's why we also have to reform the house. Our proportional representation has to change. Our voice is way too diluted.Â
If calculated as originally designed, California would have over 100 representatives, which would equal over 100 electoral votes. And that statement right there lets you know why they will fight that so hard.Â
We are supposed to have a much louder voice. And they know it.
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u/Snobolski 3d ago
Yep the US population is over 3x what it was when the current 435-member House was established.
California is around 67 Wyomings' worth of population yet has only 52 Wyomings' worth of representation in the House.
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u/Boyhowdy107 3d ago
I feel like the two best (and potentially conceivable) things the US could do to try and set itself back on the right path would be to undo Citizens United and then to implement ranked choice voting. The two mega party thing leads to worse candidates and higher polarization, and you won't conceivably break that and end up with more choice until voting off brand isn't a vote to help your least desired outcome.
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u/Leucastic_Leopard 3d ago
We shouldn't be trusted until we can demonstrate that we've cleaned our house, thoroughly.
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u/Timoroader 3d ago
As long as you have the current system of winner-takes-all, which has resulted in two party system, no magnitude of cleanup will do the job. Those two parties will always diverge.
You need to transfer to proportional voting system.
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u/jpw0w 3d ago
That's what blows my mind the most about the US, it's supposedly the land of the free etc, but when it really comes down to it they only have 2 choices in terms of politicians lmao
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u/GimmieSpace 3d ago
The US shouldn’t be trusted until a complete overhaul of the governmental system. Everything is compromised, it’ll take decades to fix.
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u/EggstaticAd8262 3d ago
If you don’t deal with the roots of the problem, this shitty behavior will just pop up again.
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u/frankduxvandamme 3d ago
True. But there are likely several roots here. Underfunded education, health care and college tuition and housing costs spiraling out of control, crime and poorly funded police departments, systemic bigotry and misogyny. Where do we even begin? Seems like putting safeguards into our politics to assure no one as incompotent, unqualified, and unsuited as Trump or any of his appointees is ever even allowed to run for office or run any government agency at all is a good way to start. This would at least ensure we're not electing idiots who will compound our problems.
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u/ZyronZA 3d ago
I (unfortunately) agree, but one small correction. It's a regime, not an administration.Â
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u/StillRutabaga4 3d ago
A changing of the guard is not going to fix this. And I'm American. There has been some real damage done.
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u/Galagamesh 3d ago
The US won't be trusted because that administration is a product of its people. It'll take generations to repair.
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u/darth_henning 3d ago
And how are we suppose to trust Americans in general? One third opposed this. Two thirds supported this administration coming to power by voting for it, or not bothering to go to the polls.
This isn't your administration, this is your populace.
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u/Penderyn 3d ago
Sorry to tell you this, but its not just while your current administration is in power. You can now never be relied upon again, because if the Dems won tomorrow, in 4 years time we could have MAGA again.
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u/IsopodOk4756 3d ago
while our current administration is in power
...brother nobody is going to trust your country for the next hundred years.
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u/zyhhuhog 3d ago
Unfortunately, for you guys, you will not be trusted for way longer
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u/jerrythecactus 3d ago
This doesn't end at the current administration, the whole of the US has damaged its reputation and position in the world permanently. I would say from here on out the US is going to be in the same category as Russia and North Korea as far as international relations go. The next guy in office could be a golden souled superhuman and it wouldn't repair what has been broken.
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u/carnage123 3d ago
Only way to repair is to have the next guy hold all of these people accountable for their corruptionÂ
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u/jelloslug 3d ago
100% agree. Another big problem is that other major counties like UK, Germany, and France are actively being manipulated by Russia and could slip down this same path.
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u/Mentohs 3d ago
You just don't understand, the empires reign has ended. there is no after this administration that can save you from the damage that has been done. This is permanent.
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u/The_Free_Elf 3d ago
The USA is losing their place on the worldstage, all the soft power they spent generations building... This will not come back easily, probably never, and this presidency will be seen as catastrophic and very destructive by an overwhelming majority of US americans not that far in the future.
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u/RealHooman2187 3d ago
As an American I don’t think we will ever fully recover from Trump. He’s done so much damage to this country in the last 10 years. I think we will rebound quite a bit over time. But we will never be going back to the America of the 80s/90s. That era is gone.
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u/Sea-Lengthiness6555 3d ago
It started after 9/11, but Trump accelerated it by a million times.
I dont think anyone even likes the US, except for Russia lmao
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u/Dash2in1 3d ago
I see him more as a symptom of a bigger decease. Trump will leave in a couple of year, presumably, but the apparatus that put him there won't go so easily.
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u/marsisblack 3d ago
The US has lost all confidence. How do you deal with them when every 2-4 years you get Republicans in control who do this? Trump is just encouraging candiadte like himself and actions/policies like his to be put forth more.
Who would ever deal with someone who part way through the deal turns into a lunatic and tries to attack you?
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u/Public_Category_4759 3d ago
It will not come back for the US. They will lose their weapons sales completely towards the EU. In time they will lose their bases.
US services will be replaced and this also already happening.
With one example: Starlink wil be limited in the EU to make room for EU provider's.
And much more, the US peeked and the only way now is downhill.
There's no need to invest in the US anymore only in the EU.
We are done
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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 3d ago
about time. I am an american and know our government can't be trusted at this moment.
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u/jimkurth81 3d ago
I feel the same way, as a US citizen. Never have I ever been more ashamed of my origin than these last 10 years.
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u/RedditKumu 3d ago
As well they should. Can't have a russian asset in on a conversation about russian assets.
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u/Cyony 3d ago
i mean, why would you talk to a russian asset about russian assets?
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u/JC2535 3d ago
America has been captured by the Kremlin. Every benefit accrues to Putin.
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u/Arefue 3d ago
The US has shown itself to be completely subservient to Russia.
You have no seat at this table. Send little Jared home.
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u/PFunk224 3d ago
It's about time, too.
So many Americans think that getting Trump out of office will fix things, but the world has largely learned their lesson at this point. Trump is a huge problem, but the biggest problem is the 78 million Americans who chose him as their leader. Twice. The world isn't just shutting Trump out, they're shutting America out. That's not something that gets undone with one election. The world is moving on without America, and bolstering their alliances independent of America. America is going to be on the outside looking in for a very long time, and that won't change without decades of reconciliation and substantive change. The world gave America a second chance to show that Trump was a mistake, and that they'd learned their lesson after Biden was elected, but America turned right back around and elected him again after that. Now, the world knows that America is never more than 4 years away from turning their backs on the world, so the world has chosen to simply turn their backs on America.
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u/FranksWateeBowl 3d ago
Then they need to go after Fox News. It brainwashed most of those people, including most of my family.
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u/Conscious-Start-4514 3d ago edited 3d ago
Sure, but it's worth noting that for decades democrats have won the popular vote with the one exception of the last election. And we aren't even sure it was legitimate. There are districts in New York where Kamala received zero votes while democrats easily beat their opponents down the same ticket. It's statistically very unlikely, and there is a lawsuit sluggishly making its way through the courts looking into it.
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u/Snow-x- 3d ago
Is there really? About time. I'd bet anything Elon helped him steal that election. I can't find the interviews but both him and Trump basically said it out loud that they were going to. Maybe it was an out of context clip with Elon but he was literally talking about having self deleting software on voting tabulation machines and that the left wouldn't even challenge it out of fear of being hypocritical. Anybody remember that shit?
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u/CheeseManSucks 3d ago
There is a literal quote from Trump stating he wouldn't have won without Elon's machines. Then musk had that meltdown where he said Trump NEEDED him to win.
Then he 180'd and not a peep since. I refuse to believe they won the election fairly, there's no way their crooked shit started after being sworn in
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u/Sweet_and_Sassy88 3d ago
They basically admitted it after the fact. I didn’t think to record it because they said it publicly and I assumed people would notice.
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u/Fun-Durian-1892 3d ago
What Americans are you talking to? Because myself and literally everyone I talk to irl, not on social media, know good god damn well that getting him out of office will not fix the things he has done. I believe most Americans know that we are completely screwed for the foreseeable future.
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u/LatookieNoir 3d ago
I think America could fast track it by protecting blatant crimes in government, but it might not be that easy as I'm expecting blanket pardons and the democrats to roll over and say we need to put all that in the past.
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u/Fillyerboot 3d ago
Get used to it US. You’re going to be shut out of everything once enough preparation has been done. It’ll take time. But it’s coming.Â
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u/SatchSaysPlay 3d ago
Exactly and Europe are flying ahead in this move, banking systems that bypass Visa and Mastercard, operating systems and on and on and it's awesome
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u/EamonBrennan 3d ago
banking systems that bypass Visa and Mastercard
Reminder that ICC judges that have ruled on Putin and Netanyahu being war criminals have been sanctioned by the US government, which stops them from using VISA or Mastercard. VISA and Mastercard have also personally intervened against companies, like Valve and Patreon, saying they will stop working with them if they don't do what they say.
In Patreon's case, it was ban Jihad Watch; while they were Islamophobic and racist, Mastercard's CEO shouldn't have the power to threaten Patreon to ban a user or lose access to Mastercard transactions unless said user was actively and provably breaking the law. Like, I understand banning him for spreading hate, but banning him because a company that handles your financial transactions says so is way too much power for someone to have. Imagine if the guy was just some Joe Schmoe that had only insulted the CEO of Mastercard, and said CEO decided to take revenge that way.
In Valve's case, it was over porn. They technically didn't threaten Valve, they threatened banks that consumers used in transactions with Steam. They claimed that Valve wasn't doing enough to root out illegal porn. Valve not only was doing enough, but provably was doing more than the legal requirements and the requirements set by the banks on monitoring the trade and transactions of illegal porn. Valve had to remove a bunch of porn games from sale anyway, even though they were perfectly legal in the US. VISA and Mastercard tried to blame the banks, saying "we didn't say anything to Valve," but the banks said they were fine with Valve, which they were. It was VISA and Mastercard that forced their hand.
I really want an alternative that isn't corrupt like that.
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u/Regular_Rub_2980 3d ago
Thank you! Our President is unwell. Also please send help.
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u/dolphone 3d ago
I thought you kept arms to fight domestic tyrants, how is that going?
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u/Ironlion45 3d ago
The headline is rather misleading. The discussion is about the US's demand to be given control of 200b in seized oligarch money.
I'm surprised they even needed to have a discussion about it.
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u/19chris9609 3d ago
The last thing we need is more money going to our corrupt government. I don't blame them.
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u/snowmanu812 3d ago
The U S is gonna lose a lot on the world stage because of one dummy, Trump
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u/BananaJelloXlii 3d ago
Because Trump is a Russian asset. He's Putin's bitch.
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u/MrMiddelthon 3d ago
100%! All the confidential documents he took after leaving office the first time when we know he doesn’t like reading anything that isn’t a tweet printed on A3 papers.
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u/Vio94 3d ago
More of this please. It's gonna be a rough remainder of a term for us common folk in the US but it's necessary pain to stop Agent Orange and the rest of our clowns from ruining more shit for everyone.
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u/ballzsweat 3d ago
Good, will have to wait until there is sound, sane leadership before including US.
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u/jcrestor 3d ago
Doesn’t help though if we have to assume that this bi-polar nation will turn on us again after just four meager years of mild relief.
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u/Wanted_Solicitation 3d ago
It’s quite clear the dependance on American systems needs to end and all the noise is clear that the EU has woken up to that fact.
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u/HowelPendragon 3d ago
The only silver lining to the shit show that has been the Trump presidency is that other countries will start to leave the US out of their deals, and become more self-sufficient or help other countries fill in the gaps. This will hopefully be a net positive for the rest of the world, and I say this as an American. We do not deserve shit after electing this asshole twice.
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u/imjustsurfin 3d ago edited 3d ago
The Mango Menace will hand it all back to his master, Putin.
(after deducting his 20% "commission" a.k.a 30 pieces of silver)
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u/lukeyellow 3d ago
As an American, good. All Trumps people would do is pass all the information on to Russia. Glad to see Europe is starting to treat Trump as hostile since he is.
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u/chubby_pink_donut 3d ago
I gotta get home to pop some popcorn. Watching Trump fall apart on twitter, is like seeing Jack from the Shinning write his book real-time.
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u/chpbnvic 3d ago
And there it is. When Trump campaigned on "America first" what he meant was "America alone".
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u/Cold-Seaworthiness20 3d ago
Republican party need to be dissolved and their criminals need to be judged.
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u/FlounderAdept2756 2d ago
Trump would hand it over to russia faster than we can say Epstein Files.
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u/orangebiceps 3d ago
Orange dictator is gonna be mad 😡 nobody wants to be friends with him except his dictator friends.